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		<title>by: April</title>
		<link>http://teacherindevelopment.blogsome.com/2005/11/15/blogging-personal-vs-group/#comment-73</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Wow!  I am not alone in the world after all.  I just became involved in the blogosphere through a grant with my state, Alabama.  I was so excited about the ideas behing blogging that I seemed to go overboard.  I teach technology to 952 third through fifth graders.  I have set up blogs to get the students talking about their project based assignments.  Those blogs are flying.  However, the blogs for teachers that I set up to aid in powerful conversations of professional books we are reading and not working at all.  I have even stayed after school in the computer lab to help anyone with blogging.  So far, no takers.  The Superintendent, Director of Curriculum, and my principal are the only ones who have blogged.  I am getting very frustrated with them!  I was reading another blog earlier about not having time to blog.  He said it is not that he has the time to blog, but it is how he choses to take part in professional development.  I hope teachers at my school will learn from the students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Wow!  I am not alone in the world after all.  I just became involved in the blogosphere through a grant with my state, Alabama.  I was so excited about the ideas behing blogging that I seemed to go overboard.  I teach technology to 952 third through fifth graders.  I have set up blogs to get the students talking about their project based assignments.  Those blogs are flying.  However, the blogs for teachers that I set up to aid in powerful conversations of professional books we are reading and not working at all.  I have even stayed after school in the computer lab to help anyone with blogging.  So far, no takers.  The Superintendent, Director of Curriculum, and my principal are the only ones who have blogged.  I am getting very frustrated with them!  I was reading another blog earlier about not having time to blog.  He said it is not that he has the time to blog, but it is how he choses to take part in professional development.  I hope teachers at my school will learn from the students.
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		<title>by: e e learning</title>
		<link>http://teacherindevelopment.blogsome.com/2005/11/15/blogging-personal-vs-group/#comment-63</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;strong&gt;yes, group blogs are special&lt;/strong&gt;

there's a great discussion of personal versus group blogging going around. aaron nelson gives a good overview in his post teacher in development :: blogging: personal vs. group. as the editor/blogmeister of a team blog - in fact, one of</description>
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	<p>there&#8217;s a great discussion of personal versus group blogging going around. aaron nelson gives a good overview in his post teacher in development :: blogging: personal vs. group. as the editor/blogmeister of a team blog - in fact, one of
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		<title>by: Aaron Nelson</title>
		<link>http://teacherindevelopment.blogsome.com/2005/11/15/blogging-personal-vs-group/#comment-59</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2005 08:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Wow. This has certainly turned into a very interesting conversation. Thanks to all of you, Alan, Graham, Will, J.M.,and Daniel for your thoughts on this. 

On Group blogging, Graham I think I'm in the same boat as you. I think the group of teachers I work with have not &quot;gotten&quot; the whole blog paradigm yet. They are largely digital immigrants, and &quot;to blog&quot; is still very much a foreign concept. I really like how you ended your comment. I think that is one of our missions, to work hard at being updated ourselves, and inviting and modeling others to hop on the bus too. 

Will...I'm still there too. The thinking it all through. You capture it well when you say that it's like feeling torn when you go to write in someone else's space. Yep. It's just not the same. You don't feel at home, you can't explore where you want to explore...you just have to stay seated on the seat the host showed you to (most of the time anyway.) There's just something limiting about group blogs, at least in the ones I have been involved in. Are those limits bad things? No. I don't think so. I think if the host is good, the conversation can be great. It's just getting to the point of being a great host and helping the guests &quot;feel more at home.&quot; That's where I am seeing my focus moving...just over these last few days as I've thought all this stuff through. It's about making your guests feel at home. It's about helping your guests feel at ease with their surroundings (blogging) and showing them...modeling...how to do it. 

Still thinking...

Daniel,
Great comment. I was thinking about it yesterday...and this silly word problem came to my mind: If a tree falls in a forest, and nobody is there to hear it, did it make a sound?

While we know it did, the idea of it is pretty relevant to your comment I think. Professional development should never be a solitary pursuit. We learn best from seeing what others do. We grow the tallest when we stand on the shoulders of someone else. 

I think a group blog could grow into something like this, but I think a better application of a blogfolio is doing what you've started doing. Blog away on yours, and start exploring the blogs of others...commenting, participating in the conversation, blogging about what they blog on - thinking about what they had to say, reading deeper on the matter, reflecting, then putting your take on it...and then publishing to your blog (and trackback it to the firestarter.) That's how conversations get started. By learning how to listen. Think. Express, and listen again. Never alone. Never in an echo chamber. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Wow. This has certainly turned into a very interesting conversation. Thanks to all of you, Alan, Graham, Will, J.M.,and Daniel for your thoughts on this. </p>
	<p>On Group blogging, Graham I think I&#8217;m in the same boat as you. I think the group of teachers I work with have not &#8220;gotten&#8221; the whole blog paradigm yet. They are largely digital immigrants, and &#8220;to blog&#8221; is still very much a foreign concept. I really like how you ended your comment. I think that is one of our missions, to work hard at being updated ourselves, and inviting and modeling others to hop on the bus too. </p>
	<p>Will&#8230;I&#8217;m still there too. The thinking it all through. You capture it well when you say that it&#8217;s like feeling torn when you go to write in someone else&#8217;s space. Yep. It&#8217;s just not the same. You don&#8217;t feel at home, you can&#8217;t explore where you want to explore&#8230;you just have to stay seated on the seat the host showed you to (most of the time anyway.) There&#8217;s just something limiting about group blogs, at least in the ones I have been involved in. Are those limits bad things? No. I don&#8217;t think so. I think if the host is good, the conversation can be great. It&#8217;s just getting to the point of being a great host and helping the guests &#8220;feel more at home.&#8221; That&#8217;s where I am seeing my focus moving&#8230;just over these last few days as I&#8217;ve thought all this stuff through. It&#8217;s about making your guests feel at home. It&#8217;s about helping your guests feel at ease with their surroundings (blogging) and showing them&#8230;modeling&#8230;how to do it. </p>
	<p>Still thinking&#8230;</p>
	<p>Daniel,<br />
Great comment. I was thinking about it yesterday&#8230;and this silly word problem came to my mind: If a tree falls in a forest, and nobody is there to hear it, did it make a sound?</p>
	<p>While we know it did, the idea of it is pretty relevant to your comment I think. Professional development should never be a solitary pursuit. We learn best from seeing what others do. We grow the tallest when we stand on the shoulders of someone else. </p>
	<p>I think a group blog could grow into something like this, but I think a better application of a blogfolio is doing what you&#8217;ve started doing. Blog away on yours, and start exploring the blogs of others&#8230;commenting, participating in the conversation, blogging about what they blog on - thinking about what they had to say, reading deeper on the matter, reflecting, then putting your take on it&#8230;and then publishing to your blog (and trackback it to the firestarter.) That&#8217;s how conversations get started. By learning how to listen. Think. Express, and listen again. Never alone. Never in an echo chamber. </p>
	<p>My two cents&#8230;.
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		<title>by: daniel</title>
		<link>http://teacherindevelopment.blogsome.com/2005/11/15/blogging-personal-vs-group/#comment-58</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2005 00:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Pardon the tangent but I'd like to share my experience.

While owning a private plot of the blogosphere where I can build a home and entertain guests is certainly desireable,I've been essentially posting to an audience of one for a very long time. I've been finding my voice in an echo chamber and it's gotten to be a bit lonely.

No, I'm not suggesting that a group blog is the answer. (I think I know the answer.)I guess I just want to warn folks away from being so in love with the blog of their own voice that they end up unread. Afterall, if we weren't interested in having our posts read, we wouldn't be putting our thoughts out there for the World (Wide Web)to see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Pardon the tangent but I&#8217;d like to share my experience.</p>
	<p>While owning a private plot of the blogosphere where I can build a home and entertain guests is certainly desireable,I&#8217;ve been essentially posting to an audience of one for a very long time. I&#8217;ve been finding my voice in an echo chamber and it&#8217;s gotten to be a bit lonely.</p>
	<p>No, I&#8217;m not suggesting that a group blog is the answer. (I think I know the answer.)I guess I just want to warn folks away from being so in love with the blog of their own voice that they end up unread. Afterall, if we weren&#8217;t interested in having our posts read, we wouldn&#8217;t be putting our thoughts out there for the World (Wide Web)to see.
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		<title>by: Palimpsest redux</title>
		<link>http://teacherindevelopment.blogsome.com/2005/11/15/blogging-personal-vs-group/#comment-57</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2005 21:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;strong&gt;&amp;#8216;Falling Through Learning Layers&amp;#8217;&lt;/strong&gt;


Aaron&amp;#8217;s post,  Blogging: Personal vs. Group  on the status of his team blog being in limbo was a very interesting exploration. First of all, I&amp;#8217;ve gotta say I love the verbage, &amp;#8220;I fell through a post&amp;#8221; ( Blogging: Personal vs. Gr...</description>
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	<p>Aaron&#8217;s post,  Blogging: Personal vs. Group  on the status of his team blog being in limbo was a very interesting exploration. First of all, I&#8217;ve gotta say I love the verbage, &#8220;I fell through a post&#8221; ( Blogging: Personal vs. Gr&#8230;
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		<title>by: Weblogg-ed - The Read/Write Web in the Classroom</title>
		<link>http://teacherindevelopment.blogsome.com/2005/11/15/blogging-personal-vs-group/#comment-55</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;strong&gt;Connective Reading&lt;/strong&gt;

So this is a perfect example of the types of changes we're going to have to get used to (and perhaps teach?) in terms of reading the Read/Write Web.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><strong>Connective Reading</strong></p>
	<p>So this is a perfect example of the types of changes we&#8217;re going to have to get used to (and perhaps teach?) in terms of reading the Read/Write Web.
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		<title>by: Will Richardson</title>
		<link>http://teacherindevelopment.blogsome.com/2005/11/15/blogging-personal-vs-group/#comment-54</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 05:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>This all kind of points to the need to really understand these tools and the small pieces idea. I agree that it's just not the same when you write in someone else's space. (Even now, I am torn about commenting here or diving in on my own blog.) But in some ways, it would be nice if we were carrying on this thread in the same space. We can manufacture that with RSS feeds, I suppose, but I also think that this is a shift we have to deal with in terms of how we read, not just how and where we write. Don't know if that makes sense, but I'm thinking...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This all kind of points to the need to really understand these tools and the small pieces idea. I agree that it&#8217;s just not the same when you write in someone else&#8217;s space. (Even now, I am torn about commenting here or diving in on my own blog.) But in some ways, it would be nice if we were carrying on this thread in the same space. We can manufacture that with RSS feeds, I suppose, but I also think that this is a shift we have to deal with in terms of how we read, not just how and where we write. Don&#8217;t know if that makes sense, but I&#8217;m thinking&#8230;
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		<title>by: Graham Wegner</title>
		<link>http://teacherindevelopment.blogsome.com/2005/11/15/blogging-personal-vs-group/#comment-53</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 04:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hey Aaron, this is the amazing thing about blogging. I work hard to put up relevant content on my blog (to me and hopefully others) and occasionally it crosses someone's rss radar, but I see a post - the same one you saw from Alan - and it resonates with me personally so I type up a bit of a response and that is what strikes a chord immediately with someone else (in this case, you!)enough to not just provoke a response comment but to post to their own blog about it in classic Rip.Mix.Learn fashion. A great post - maybe I should re-reflect on your post in my blog as my comments currently only exist on other people's webspace. And maybe this is why the team blog is not flourishing - they just don't get this part of the whole blogging deal. Maybe if I work hard enough, they will. Cheers from down under, Graham.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hey Aaron, this is the amazing thing about blogging. I work hard to put up relevant content on my blog (to me and hopefully others) and occasionally it crosses someone&#8217;s rss radar, but I see a post - the same one you saw from Alan - and it resonates with me personally so I type up a bit of a response and that is what strikes a chord immediately with someone else (in this case, you!)enough to not just provoke a response comment but to post to their own blog about it in classic Rip.Mix.Learn fashion. A great post - maybe I should re-reflect on your post in my blog as my comments currently only exist on other people&#8217;s webspace. And maybe this is why the team blog is not flourishing - they just don&#8217;t get this part of the whole blogging deal. Maybe if I work hard enough, they will. Cheers from down under, Graham.
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		<title>by: Aaron Nelson</title>
		<link>http://teacherindevelopment.blogsome.com/2005/11/15/blogging-personal-vs-group/#comment-51</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi Alan,
Thank you for your comments! I also would like to stipulate that this has been my experience as well. Perhaps last night I was just a little, in need of a rant. I don't know. I'm sure not going to give up at trying to encourage team blogging, because it really could work.

Like you said, when humans are involved we're dealing with a wide variety of variables and influences. That's a great point. I think group blogging is a viable option, especially when you're tring to work with a widely distributed group of people. 

I guess what I need to take out of this is 1. Patience. I do need to remember that most of the teachers I work with are just meeting the blogsphere for the first time, and have heavy schedules to deal with. 

It would be premature of me to give up, and I don't want to do that. 

Great things often take great amounts of time and effort to build...and professional development, is in my opinion, a great thing to work at. 

It really is the people and how they connect - and if they aren't connecting, then I need to really think about why.

Thanks again Alan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hi Alan,<br />
Thank you for your comments! I also would like to stipulate that this has been my experience as well. Perhaps last night I was just a little, in need of a rant. I don&#8217;t know. I&#8217;m sure not going to give up at trying to encourage team blogging, because it really could work.</p>
	<p>Like you said, when humans are involved we&#8217;re dealing with a wide variety of variables and influences. That&#8217;s a great point. I think group blogging is a viable option, especially when you&#8217;re tring to work with a widely distributed group of people. </p>
	<p>I guess what I need to take out of this is 1. Patience. I do need to remember that most of the teachers I work with are just meeting the blogsphere for the first time, and have heavy schedules to deal with. </p>
	<p>It would be premature of me to give up, and I don&#8217;t want to do that. </p>
	<p>Great things often take great amounts of time and effort to build&#8230;and professional development, is in my opinion, a great thing to work at. </p>
	<p>It really is the people and how they connect - and if they aren&#8217;t connecting, then I need to really think about why.</p>
	<p>Thanks again Alan.
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		<title>by: Alan</title>
		<link>http://teacherindevelopment.blogsome.com/2005/11/15/blogging-personal-vs-group/#comment-50</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 00:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Aaron,

Thanks for your followup comments and shared experiences. I would emphasize that this is my tiny limited experience, and I would never discount the possibility for a successful team blogging environment or space. I really do not want to see it suggested as a universal law.

There are many more factors at play, and anything with humans at the core have all kinds of external influences. But I never underestimate the role of motivation and the need for a critical mass of active players to make a shared space come alive.

For example, I've tried for a year and a half to get some distributed project teams to use a wiki, and their lack of use (some unfamilarity, some with a bad spammer experience), might lead a false conclusion of &quot;wikis don't work&quot; and if the WikiPedia had stayed in the same realm of experience, it would not be the web darling it is.

It's not the tools or the technology- its the people, what they do, how they connect (or not). Or maybe it is karma ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Aaron,</p>
	<p>Thanks for your followup comments and shared experiences. I would emphasize that this is my tiny limited experience, and I would never discount the possibility for a successful team blogging environment or space. I really do not want to see it suggested as a universal law.</p>
	<p>There are many more factors at play, and anything with humans at the core have all kinds of external influences. But I never underestimate the role of motivation and the need for a critical mass of active players to make a shared space come alive.</p>
	<p>For example, I&#8217;ve tried for a year and a half to get some distributed project teams to use a wiki, and their lack of use (some unfamilarity, some with a bad spammer experience), might lead a false conclusion of &#8220;wikis don&#8217;t work&#8221; and if the WikiPedia had stayed in the same realm of experience, it would not be the web darling it is.</p>
	<p>It&#8217;s not the tools or the technology- its the people, what they do, how they connect (or not). Or maybe it is karma <img src='http://teacherindevelopment.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />
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